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Zero tolerance has to stop!

Today a story in the news has finally got me to blow my top! And if you are wondering why I homeschool my kids, this is just one of a many reasons. The public school system,  has many great teachers, including my parents and brother. but the administrators have gone off the deep end.

A six year old girl was suspended Thursday for hugging a friend who was crying and the school suspended her for a public display of affection. Last year, a student was suspended for bringing a gun to school. What violent gun was this? It was the plastic laser gun connected to his Luke Skywalker action figure. Another student was suspended for accidentally bringing aspirin to school that she didn't take the day before when she had a headache.

So this goes out to the zero tolerance morons in the public school systems. I'm sorry you were ugly and didn't get a date in high school and have to punish the pretty people who want to be hugged by their friends when they are sad. I'm sorry your parents wouldn't buy you the cool toys and bought you silly putty instead of the GI Joe you wanted. I'm sorry that your parents couldn't afford aspirin that would have been nice when you had a headache as a child, but DAMN IT, cut this out.


It is stupid and makes you look like a complete idiot in the public's eye.
You want to know why your bond measures for school funds don't pass? I'll tell you! The public doesn't like to see you waste tax payer's money on lawyers to defend yourself against your stupidity. The tax payers want to see the money get to the classroom where a teacher that has taught for the past 25 years knows a hell of a lot more about teaching than someone who has never been in front of a student and is more worried about public opinion than a child's education.

So get some common sense, move out of your mom's basement, and get a life! Bring common sense back to education and I promise our education system and our future leaders will be a lot better off for it! If a kid hits another student, suspend them don't have a mediation. If a kid brings a toy gun to school, have the teacher take it away and put it in their bottom drawer of their desk until the end of the day, like they used to.

Sorry for the rant people, but I am just so sick and tired of this and it just has to stop! We have to take control back! Just because 1 person doesn't like something, it doesn't mean that we keep the other 999 from doing it! I don't like tomatoes, but you don't see me trying to get Burger King to ban tomatoes from their restaurants.

OK, I think I'm done!

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Comment balloon 42 commentsRespect Realty LLC • November 18 2007 02:15PM

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Yes, this is a horrific situation.  I agree with you 100% and I also thought about posting about this sad message that the administrators are sending to children...
Posted by Karen Monsour, REALTOR, SSRS - Sells FL Waterfront, Short Sale Expert! (Coldwell Banker Fort Lauderdale Beach) about 12 years ago

Yes Todd they are taking things too far now days!

Instead of focusing on educating our kids and teaching them the very basic roots of education, many are focusing on silly things like a toy gun attached to a TOY!

They are in turn letting children slip through the cracks, which in my opinion is creating even more dysfunctional/ill behaved adolescents...

I yanked my kids out of public school last year, when my daughter was sent to the principals office because someone else's child through a branch at her head. She was punished for another child's behavior. And even more upsetting was the fact that her teacher which had 30 other kids in the class wasn't even teaching her the basics of reading, phonics, writing, etc.

Thank you for your post! It's something that ticks me off frequently!

Posted by Michael La Fay (Meadow Lakes Supply Co.) about 12 years ago

What about taking the "Moment of Silence" after The Pledge of Allegiance?  What about Winter Holidays vs. Christmas Break?  This is just a warm up of what's to come!  I'm interested in what you could suggest (or your family members in administration) about this.  We really do need some "old ways" back.

Posted by Susie Roscoe, Real Estate Specialist | Brandon, FL (Signature Realty Associates) about 12 years ago
Interesting....My kid is a few years away from school and we are concerned about how 'weird' things have gotten in public schools since we went.  Many people home-school in our area but we have neither the time nor the desire.  How do you find the time?
Posted by Jennifer Esposito (JenRan Realty, LLC) about 12 years ago
Todd - there's a reason why I homeschooled my son through high school. I got sick of all the stupid buracracy and total lack of common sense!  I believe the people on the school boards and the teachers themselves need a dose of reality. What they're doing isn't working! There's no rote learning anymore...just teaching for a test and making sure not to step on anybody's politically correct toes. I hear your rant and am with you 100%!
Posted by Linda Scanlan (A Fan of AR) about 12 years ago

Holy COW I am so with you on this!!! Now mind you ... some of my feelings have calmed since moving my children to the school district we are in; it's a complete 360 from the one I yanked them away from.  But the fact of the matter is - is that I had to sell my house and move to a completely different county to remove that CRAP from my children's education!

My daughter has chronic Asthma and cannot participate in things that this other school clearly worshipped! The kids who weren't able to participate were ridiculed and treated differently; by the ADULTS - which trickled down to their kids who then kept it going at school!!! My daughter went from loving school (and I mean loving; she voted for year-round school) to throwing tantrums before school and crying when she came in the door afterschool. Kids hit her on the bus, called her filthy names and when I called the bus driver she said, "Your daughter needs to get a backbone and stand up for herself". I even went to the principal and he never did speak to these kids' parents and would not return my phone calls.

Our move took place in January of this year and my daughter is once again my happy little girl; she has friends and they call eachother constantly lol. The biggest difference between the old school and the new school is that HERE .... they let them be KIDS! They are a modern school system but they handle things in an older fashioned way.  They actually have show 'n tell here (not allowed at the other school) and they do not endorse a religion class because they feel it's up to the parents (the other school alienated kids by religious affiliation "catholic vs. Methodist" etc... and endorsed a weekly religion class that took them OUT OF school across the street to a Religion Teacher. The kids who went to Methodist or Non-Denominational Classes were treated differently by students, teachers and parents).

Had we not found this wonderful school system in Santa Claus ... I would have yanked my kids out of the public school system; a school system that treats non-athletic students like dirt beneath their feet!

Posted by Jennifer Martin (Letting License Expire in June 2010) about 12 years ago

Now as for these ridiculous "actions" of faculty at some schools ... I agree that it used to be so much easier! People freak out over things that could be handled without involving the media (but everyone wants their 10 seconds of fame). And they wonder why some of these kids grow into teenagers and rebel by bringing a REAL gun into school!!! They've taken all the fun out of being there!

If we misbehaved --- we were escorted to the principals office and depending on the circumstances we got a WHACK with a wooden paddle. We knew there were boundaries & had respect for our elders. Now ... they've removed the pledge of allegiance and dominate every second of these kids' days and wonder why they are  ticking time bombs and have ZERO respect for anyone in an authorative position.

They knit-pick the smallest issue (an innocent hug or kiss) and turn it into some kind of "Sexual Assault" Case. If 2 kids didn't get along --- they duked it out AFTER SCHOOL (granted sometimes it did happen IN school but that got them escorted to the principals office to receive a paddling & expelled for a couple of days); they weren't turned into the police for assault!!

Posted by Jennifer Martin (Letting License Expire in June 2010) about 12 years ago

Todd - I could write a BOOK!  As a former educator, I can tell you it's pathetic.  It's also the reason all of my children have attended Catholic school...God Bless you for having the patience to homeschool!!  It's like the story of the kindergartner who bit his toast to look like a gun and was suspended!!  How PC do we have to be before everyone starts looking like an idiot!?!

The "government" schools are failing our children miserably by caving in to the ridiculous secular movement in this country.  A minority of "squeaky wheels" are turning this country into a bunch of weak, immoral, unspiritual, whiners and I for one am SICK of it!!  I hope and pray things will come full circle and we'll again be a nation proud to be American!!

Posted by Irene Morales Ward, Realtor - e-Pro - Northern Virginia Real Estate (REMAX Distinctive Real Estate, Inc.) about 12 years ago

Todd,

I agree with you 100% even to the tomato comment!!! Thanks,   Fran

Posted by Fran Gaspari, "The Title Man" - Title Insurance - PA & NJ (Patriot Land Transfer, Inc.) about 12 years ago

America home of the offended......it kills me on how much can I call it regulation we have in society......you cannot please all the people all the time....if you don't like it don't look I just don't get how you can make rules that are zero tolerance......a plastic gun the size of what a half inch...give me a break....I also understand that the government is trying to pass regulation that they will be able to forcibly vaccinate our children????

Home of the free???

Todd Hueffed

http://www.thathomezone.com/ in partnership with Keller Williams North Seattle

Posted by Todd Hueffed (Champions Real Estate Services) about 12 years ago
I am there with you Todd. Stories like this just make me sick. It is ridiculous that in our modern society people can't seem to have any common sense about them at all! It seems that people are getting more ignorant not more intelligent!
Posted by Melissa Wagner (Leo Parker Real Estate & Auction) about 12 years ago
Karen - I wish our school administrators are doing to our future, but I think they think they are trying to improve it.

Sara - I'm hearing more and more parents doing this. My kids get more compliments for how well behaved they are and how smart they. Not bragging, but I think it has something to do with them not being in the public school system.

Susie - What is the pledge of allegiance? I heard a study done last year that 64% of kids under the age of 10 didn't know what it was and of the 34% that heard it 95% of those couldn't recite it! Don't even get me started on the "HOLIDAY BREAK". Come on who are we fooling!

Jennifer - My wife has been a stay at home mom, since my first child was born over nine years ago and I can say it was the best decision we ever made as a family!

Linda - I knew there was a reason I liked you! Wanted smart children and a better world!

Jennifer - I don't blame you one bit for moving your children. FAMILY FIRST! I'm glad your daughter is doing much better. As a person who had asthma as a kid also get her in to sports slowly and I think it will improve. It sure did for me, by the time I was in High School I was running 20 miles a day and competing at a very high level on the varsity Cross Country team.

Irene - If my mom didn't love those kids as much as she does, I think she would retire tomorrow. I keep asking her to so she can't stop complaining about the administration.

Fran - Those tomatoes are gross aren't they!

Todd - That is the exact problem we have in today's society. Can't offend anyone! The problem is you are offending 90% of the people trying to keep the 1% happy!

Melissa - I just wish we could elect people that were more intelligent that then ones we are electing. I think part of the problem is we are electing people who got good grades in school, but had no common sense!
Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago
Todd... sounds to me like you should start a movement! After all ... all great things that are accomplished begin somewhere.....
Posted by Michael La Fay (Meadow Lakes Supply Co.) about 12 years ago
Todd, It is unbelievable and I hate having my son in the school system.  Here in Nevada, they can take online classes and graduate a year early.  I did that with my older son, who graduated last year and now my younger one, who will graduate next year.  I have always considered home schooling and if my boys were just starting school instead of just finishing, I would do it!  School systems are just out of hand anymore!  I can't wait to be done with them! 
Posted by Roberta LaRocca, REALTOR®, Broker, Salesperson, NV. Lic BS.507 (Simply Vegas Real Estate) about 12 years ago
Todd I would like to show more of the schools hypocrisy.  Our daughters school sends out regular notices on appropriate snacks to send to school.  They refer to fruit, vegetables and other healthy alternatives.  I agree with this.  The problem being each class is assigned to clean their table in the cafeteria after lunch.  What is the reward for this? Cookies, Ice Cream, or Candy. I just wish they would practice what they preach.  Keep up the good work.
Posted by Joe Smith, Insuring what matters to you! (Property and Casualty for Professionals, INC) about 12 years ago
Todd - I don't think I realized that you were a fellow homeschooler.  We are avid homeschoolers as well.  Zero tolerance is idiocy in the cases you described above.  Nonsense! 
Posted by Jason Crouch, Broker - Austin Texas Real Estate (512-796-7653) (Austin Texas Homes, LLC) about 12 years ago
I totally agree with you, things have totally gone out of control with our school systems. 
Posted by Linda Reynolds, Bradenton Real Estate (Bradenton Real Estate - Linda Reynolds) about 12 years ago
With this kind of nonsense going on in the schools, no wonder so many gifted teachers are getting real estate licenses!  Yikes!
Posted by Patricia Kennedy, Home in the Capital (RLAH Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Rant and rave...

If I was the parent of the 6 year old, they would be in court so fast the school system wouldn't know what hit them.  I may even sue for emotional distress.  (I am not a sue happy person, so this should give you how this makes me feel).

Oh my, a teacher hugged my kid the other day....

Posted by Judi Glamb, Associate Broker, ABR (Coldwell Banker Hearthside) about 12 years ago

Sara - Got my plate full, how about you take it on - lol

Roberta - That would be cool if we had something like that here. I would love to get my kids in to the sports programs.

Joe - Sounds inteligent to me? Schools have no clue do they?

Jason - Homeschoolers unite!

Patricia - That is the exact reason!

Judi - Don't even go there, if a teacher were caught hugging a student! My dad was sent home from outdoor school because a student ran up to him and hugged him. They didn't want to take any chances. Stupid! (That was 7 years ago, after 30 years of teaching, 25 ex-students saying they became teachers because of him, and never a complaint against him)

 

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago
Todd- I read this this morning and could feel your passion and the lunacy of the Policies....we have similar ones here.  Where is the common sense in our lives anymore????  We won't even go to California teachers teaching for the State tests, and kids getting a far inferior education than kids many years ago........
Posted by Kathy McGraw, Riverside County CA Real Estate (CELLing Realty) about 12 years ago
Kathy - The teaching toward the test could get even worse if some people try to pass a law making teachers get paid by results. So, you could tell I was upset?
Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago
Todd - That is pretty irritating. It is a tough subject though. It is really tough to decide where to draw the line.
Posted by Ryan Martin, Bellingham Commercial RE Broker (Windermere Real Estate / Whatcom Inc.) about 12 years ago
Ryan - I think we just need to have common sense! The world isn't black and white and that is what they are trying to make it!
Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago
Hey...This is the world of Nancy P. , Hillary C. , Chuck S... and all the rest who will probably not only be taking away our plastic guns... but the real ones too.  Get used  to it or tell all your friends to start speaking out loud and clear like yourself.
Posted by Trey Thurmond, College Station , Texas Homes (BCR Realtors) about 12 years ago

Michael - You mother is in the same boat as my parents and I can hear in your comments that she just can't stand it eiter. My parents didn't like the idea of us homeschooling at first, but they have seen the difference that it makes and are now behind it. Happy Thanksgiving to you to my friend. (No smoking of turkey's, we don't want any fires - lol)

Trey - It is crazy that we are trying to revert back to what England had back in the 60's and they had to find out the hard way that it didn't work there and we have to find out the hard way also. I do find it funny that politicians find it safe enough for us to not have to carry a gun, yet they walk around with 15 armed guards around them at all times.

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

Todd, it's sad, really....my opinion is that school districts are forced into "zero tolerance" because of all that has happened in the past several years.  I don't agree with everything but I understand it more, simply because no one really knows for sure if bringing a toy gun to school is a pre-cursor to bringing the real thing...and it does happen. 

We've had kids in grade school, jr. high & sr. high bring guns to school in the past year.  One student was arrested a couple days ago for having a 357 magnum in his pocket.  So many kids are "lost", have terrible living situations, bad relationship with parents, etc.  We have t.v. and movies full of abuse, violence and murder and little kids are watching this stuff and live in an environment where all of that is "normal." 

Yes, it can seem extreme, what school districts have to do, but we've become an extreme society.  As a parent, who has homeschooled, I have a responsibility to educate and inform my children.  Teach them acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.  I have 5 boys; they like to hunt, play "army", shoot guns, etc. but I have to help them understand the boundaries as well.

Again, I don't agree with everything, but I understand.  I understand the fear of waking up one morning just to find out the kid you took the play gun away from decided to get a real one instead.

Posted by Joddie Roberts, Your Spokane Realtor - Spokane, WA (Mountain Real Estate and Property Management) about 12 years ago

MY sons preschool asked us to talk to our son about his inappropriate behavior at school.  In likes to give all the females a hug at the end of the day.  In school its more socially acceptable for kids to hit and pull hair than give hugs???  

 My nephew and his "gang" of kindergarters got in trouble for building an arsonal of guns out of Legos and playing war. 

Posted by Chad Baird (Re/Max Spirit) about 12 years ago
Todd- WOW, another homeschooling agent! I was reading Jason's family ties review about your post. I homeschooled 5kids and now our youngest who is 5. I could not stand the crap back in the 80's and it has become worse. In case people don't know, this is the beginning of the communist agenda. It always starts with consensus of release of liberties in a guise of helping the ones offended. But no doubt, there is an ulterior motive. I won't have any part of it! It disgust me. I just wrote a post about how now states are forcing drugs on children in spite of parents objections! Katerina
Posted by Katerina Gasset, Get It Done For Me Virtual Services (Get It Done For Me Virtual Services ) about 12 years ago

I was thinking that same thing this morning Katerina, but wasn't sure exactly how to put it in to words...

I suppose just saying it would have been the right thing :-) Thank you!

Posted by Anonymous about 12 years ago

I did comment a few moments ago, but I was not logged in :->

That is EXACTLY the thought I had earlier this morning Katerina! Thank you for typing it out loud :-)

Posted by Michael La Fay (Meadow Lakes Supply Co.) about 12 years ago

Congratulations on the 'round-up' my Todd! You SOOO deserve it!!

And i couldn't agree more! We are slaves to political correctness and the whiners of the world!! But not you or I - as you well know!!! We don't drink THAT Kool-Aid!! ;-) 

Posted by Jennifer Monroe, Real Estate REALTOR®/Broker in Beautiful Charlotte (Savvy + Company Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Joddie - I don't think playing with a toy gun is a pre-cursor to bringing a real gun to school. I played cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians all the time as a kid, but I never wanted to actually kill anyone! People want to take kids' imaginations away and they know don't know where reality and imagination line begin.

I watched a lot of violent things as a kid and so did my friends, but you know what, never did I want to drop an anvil on a friends head. Never after watching Die Hard did I want to shoot up bad guys in real life, I knew where the line was.

My friends brought guns to school almost everyday! Yes you read that correctly, my friends brought guns to school almost everyday, but when they got out of school they went hunting, never did anyone think of using them for anything else. Parents just need to talk to kids and let them play! What I think is happening is that we are telling kids they can't show any emotion or play or even fight! They bottle things up and then they release the anger on the world in ways that are un-imaginable to us.

Our freedoms as humans are being taken away and that included playing or showing emotion. I think we are starting to see the results. Let kids be kids and they will turn out fine, it has worked for the past 200 years and the change has happened in the last 15 years as we have been taking away kids rights one by one!

Chad - See that is just stupid! Let the kids be kids, we turned out fine and so will our kids if we just let them play! I crashed Hot Wheels into each other and you don't see me going out on the freeway trying to hit other cars head on do you? Let the kids play!

 

 

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago
Todd, where will it stop. My husband can't see this post or he will flip. I agree that the rant is the only venue for things of this nature. I guess more and more we will see that home schooling is our only choice. Thanks for the post and I feel like a rant myself!
Posted by Jeanean Gendron, Specializing in Selling Unique Properties (The Address Realty) about 12 years ago

Todd `  Wow, I sure have a new found respect for you and your family!  I have my children in public school to be the salt and light.  If it comes to the point where I am compromising them for someone else, though, I will pull them in a heartbeat and home school them, too.

We can afford the private schools, but I would still opt for home schooling.  Additionally, when inappropriate comments and topics come up, I will hold my child out of the classroom.  Thank you for your stnad and your integrity.  I will be cheering you on from out here in the "real" Oregon City!  :0 

Posted by Sarah Eubanks, Preferred Oregon Loan Consultant & Notary Public (Hill Valley Financial Services) about 12 years ago

Obviously a very engaging topic Todd...I've bookmarked the post because I wish to share it and the AR member comments with my wife...thanks?

Posted by GA-agent.com Georgia Real Estate Directory (GA-agent.com) about 12 years ago
It is stories like this that help explain why so many parents are homeschooling or working a second job to get their child in private school.
Posted by Randy Prothero, Hawaii REALTOR, (808) 384-5645 (eXp Realty) about 12 years ago

Katrina & Jason - Maybe we should start a Homeschooling Agents group - lol

Sara - Schools are very frustrating! You just can't be black and white!

Jeanean - Let him flip out, we need more of it!

Sarah - It is getting crazy here in this state isn't it?

James - Feel free and I would love to see what your wife has to say! This was just making me mad and when I typed it out, I actually had to shorten it!

Randy - That is why I am in real estate! My family needed something better and I knew the only way to do that was to get involved!

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

Todd- There is not enough room for my rants. My daughter had a knife pulled on her, the same student wrote a death list with kids and staff names, he drew pictures that disturbed the staff. He told my daughter he knew how to kill her and get away with it. He was emergency expelled April 25th. The story made the national news. What the news did not report, and I do not know why the share all kinds of stuff- was that he went to school the first day, September 5th as though nothing happened. Anyone hear of Columbine? The school would not enforce my daughters restraining order. They refused to tell her teachers that she had one and when I forced the issue they told them but would not say who it was concerning!

I was told quote" That young gentleman has a right to an education."Well so do my kids in spite of them all.And if they knew the definition of Gentleman they would not have used it in this instance. I wish we had better options. We should have better options. My husband and I have decided to take this one on ourselves at this point. We have to educate our children because it is not happening in the schools.

Where is the balance? Kids expelled for hugs and asprin but not for actual violence! I refuse to pay another counselor because of how the schools choices have effected my kids.

Sorry about the anger. I am not close to over this.

Posted by Dinah Lee Griffey, Managing Broker Windermere Peninsula Properties (Windermere Peninsula Properties) over 10 years ago

Dinah - Why don't you tell us how you really feel. (LOL) Schools have gotten so out of hand and they don't even realize it! NO THESE KIDS DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO AN EDUCATION! If they are violent, then let their parents figure it out, not me because I have the smart kid who is well behaved.

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) over 10 years ago

Great post Todd!  Talk about missing the forest for the trees!

Posted by Corey & Erika Kahler (The Cascade Team) over 10 years ago

Erika - Here in Oregon instead of spending money on educating our children the schools are spending their money trying to get the government to come in to every home school house for an interview to make sure our house is "Good Enough" for our children learning. Can you say "BIG BROTHER" I would test home school kids against public school kids any day of the week!

Notice how these are this is the same group that is fighting pay based on results.

 

Posted by Respect Realty LLC, Brokers - Oregon / SW Washington Real Estate (Respect Realty LLC) over 10 years ago

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